Transcript of Frankel's Free Clinic May 15, 2000

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 8:59 AM): Greeeeeeetings, folks! Everyone doing okay so far?

Andy TeBockhorst (tebockhorst.com) (5/15/2000 8:59 AM): All's well here... hate to be inside on a great day like this though!

Terri Robinson (recruit2hire.com) (5/15/2000 8:59 AM): Belgium, Wow! How'd you find Rob's place? Greetings, Rob!

Frank-Music4Flash.com (5/15/2000 8:59 AM): Hi Rob :)

Cathy (5/15/2000 8:59 AM): Entered the room.

Andy TeBockhorst (tebockhorst.com) (5/15/2000 8:59 AM): Morning Rob!

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:00 AM): Frank, do you want to go first, seeing as how you're dialing in at night time?

Frank-Music4Flash.com (5/15/2000 9:00 AM): Sybren Design forwarded me to the mailing list ... so I found about this super chat feature

Frank-Music4Flash.com (5/15/2000 9:00 AM): well, rob .. its 1800 PM here, so I don't have to go to sleep yet, but I have a question ... I already wrote it down, can I paste it ?

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:01 AM): (Rob doing his best NOT to be viewed as a culturally insensitive American)

Joel (VentajaGlobal@Yahoo.com) (5/15/2000 9:01 AM): Entered the room.

Arizona Reporter (azreporter.com) (5/15/2000 9:01 AM): Entered the room.

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:01 AM): Sure Frank, paste away

Frank-Music4Flash.com (5/15/2000 9:01 AM): I have a 'brand' :) question. I started Music4Flash.com last year as an answer to the search of music-loops for use in Macromedia Flash. It has become a huge success, but right now, I have the problem of having a too 'niched' domain name. Music4Flash.com is a brand of itself right now [everybody who designs Flash normally knows us], but I want to broaden my services. For this purpose I purchased SoundShopper.com, which will host all kind of stock music [commercials, websites, movies, etc] and music-loops for musicians. My only problem is that I don't know if I'm doing the right thing. Should I set SoundShopper.com and link all my other domains names to the specific section [music4flash.com flash / music4commercials.com commercials / loopshop.com -> musicians / etc.] ? Or just set up multiple websites ? Pfff ... this was a tough one :)

Joel (VentajaGlobal@Yahoo.com) (5/15/2000 9:02 AM): Good morning everybody!

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:03 AM): Frank, on first read, I would say that what you want to do is leverage Music 4 Flash to launch SoundShopper. There's no question that the big brand is Sound Shopper. The only question is how you're going to move Music4Flash in the minds of your users.

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:04 AM): Fortunately, for you, this is an easy transition, because Music 4 Flash is viewed so positively. Which means all you really have to do is nut out the programs you're going to use to migrate those users to the new brand and NOT scare them off.

Frank - I've used Music4Flash... very well done! (5/15/2000 9:05 AM): Entered the room.

Jan@tameyourbrain.com) (5/15/2000 9:05 AM): Entered the room.

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:05 AM): As long as you have a strong base of Music 4 Flash users, this should be a cinch. But don't overlook the opportunity here: you can really take SoundShopper up high if you MOTIVATE your users to make the switch.

Andy TeBockhorst (tebockhorst.com) (5/15/2000 9:06 AM): Entered the room.

Andy TeBockhorst (tebockhorst.com) (5/15/2000 9:06 AM): Oops, sorry... fell off the truck for a second

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:06 AM): So the short answer is, "yes, you're doing the right thing." Just be careful how you do it. Don't leave any opportunities on the table.

tito-tito@aloha.net (5/15/2000 9:06 AM): Entered the room.

Frank-Music4Flash.com (5/15/2000 9:06 AM): Entered the room.

Jan@tameyourbrain.com) (5/15/2000 9:06 AM): Hi everyone. I signed in weird again, but I'm getting there. I'm about ready to make and distribute a free e-book. I need some knowledge.

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:06 AM): Andy, how many times have I told you to wear your seat belt?

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:07 AM): Uh oh, Frank, the server caught you. Yes, make the transition a phased one.

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:07 AM): Jan, what's the deal? Tell me more

Andy TeBockhorst (tebockhorst.com) (5/15/2000 9:08 AM): Frank, you'll need to log off and then come back in again (I just did the same thing)

Jan@tameyourbrain.com) (5/15/2000 9:08 AM): Andy, is that truck very high?

(5/15/2000 9:08 AM): ok - thanks a lot ! you're just great !

Andy TeBockhorst (tebockhorst.com) (5/15/2000 9:08 AM): I'm not injured... everyone relax.

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:09 AM): No problem, Frank. Let us know when it happens.

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:10 AM): Jan? You there? Yoo hoo........

Yancey (DelightfulWay.com) (5/15/2000 9:10 AM): Entered the room.

GuyRCook - BuyOurWebservices.com (5/15/2000 9:10 AM): Entered the room.

Terri Robinson (recruit2hire.com) (5/15/2000 9:11 AM): Hi Guy, Yancey!

Andy TeBockhorst (tebockhorst.com) (5/15/2000 9:11 AM): Rob, I'm developing a promotional website for the NFL and I need to add a chat room... how do I get/use this room's technology

Jan@tameyourbrain.com) (5/15/2000 9:12 AM): Ok, but my server keeps flipping so I hope I'll be able to stay. The name is Tame Your Brain -How To Tame Your Brain; Strategies & Techniques That Show You How To Succeed

Andy TeBockhorst (tebockhorst.com) (5/15/2000 9:12 AM): Sorry Jan... I'll wait

GuyRCook - BuyOurWebservices.com (5/15/2000 9:12 AM): Hi Terry, greetings all from Washington State

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:12 AM): Andy, in the bottom frame under the Revenge of brand X banner is a link directly to Brian Rickman. He's great. He did this for me.

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:13 AM): Continue Jan....What's the issue?

PattiMay-www.applecountry.net (5/15/2000 9:13 AM): greetings all

Jan@tameyourbrain.com) (5/15/2000 9:13 AM): This book is educational! You will learn how to control your anger, a negative emotion that stops you from living life to the fullest.

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:13 AM): Andy, this is a pure HTML chat, for people with older browsers who may not be able to handle java....

Jan@tameyourbrain.com) (5/15/2000 9:14 AM): You'll learn how to stay focused, something that people with 20 things going on at once find hard to do.

GuyRCook - BuyOurWebservices.com (5/15/2000 9:14 AM): Andy, if you want to do a voice chat checkout firetalk.com, only for PC's for now.

Joe Nicassio, rapidresultsmarketing.com (5/15/2000 9:14 AM): Entered the room.

Jan@tameyourbrain.com) (5/15/2000 9:14 AM): Everyone would like to know how to center themselves, this shows you an easy way to accomplish that coveted feat.

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:14 AM): Okay, Jan. Got it. Now, what can I help you with?

Barbara Candelario (webupright.com) (5/15/2000 9:14 AM): Entered the room.

Jan@tameyourbrain.com) (5/15/2000 9:14 AM): Wouldn't it be great to know how to change your negative ways? You'll learn how here!

Barbara Candelario (webupright.com) (5/15/2000 9:14 AM): Hiya all

Jan@tameyourbrain.com) (5/15/2000 9:15 AM): And as an added bonus, there‚s even a technique that helps you spell difficult words forward and backward.

Jan@tameyourbrain.com) (5/15/2000 9:15 AM): There, I'm sorry it took so much room and time. I had to keep cutting and pasting.

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:15 AM): Jan is this just a plug, or is there something I can help you with? It's okay to plug, I just wanted to know....

Andy TeBockhorst (tebockhorst.com) (5/15/2000 9:15 AM): ?yhw dluow ew tnaw ot od taht

Andy TeBockhorst (tebockhorst.com) (5/15/2000 9:15 AM): (sorry, couldn't resist.)

Terri Robinson (recruit2hire.com) (5/15/2000 9:16 AM): Hiya Barbara! <laffin> @ Andy!

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:16 AM): Andy, that fall off the truck damaged your brain....

Jan@tameyourbrain.com) (5/15/2000 9:16 AM): Thanks Rob. I have it written, but am looking for e-book form so people can *turn* pages.

Jan@tameyourbrain.com) (5/15/2000 9:17 AM): Now, now, Rob. First we have to figure out if there is a brain. :)

GuyRCook - BuyOurWebservices.com (5/15/2000 9:17 AM): Barbara, can you ICQ me please, 500136 is mine. I upgraded and lost the contact list...

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:17 AM): Do you mean you want to play it on new e-book devices or are you just looking for digital distribution?

Jan@tameyourbrain.com) (5/15/2000 9:17 AM): Whoops, that is a joke. I forgot to say that.

Barbara Candelario (webupright.com) (5/15/2000 9:17 AM): Hey Terri! good to see you:-) I joined the list here. It's great!

PattiMay-www.applecountry.net (5/15/2000 9:17 AM): there are several ways to turn a doc into ebook format.. the easiest is probably acrobat so it can be read by acrobat reader

Barbara Candelario (webupright.com) (5/15/2000 9:17 AM): Hey Guy! sure. Let me launch

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:18 AM): Patti is correct. The simplest way is to lay it out in MSWord or Quark Xpress and then simply print it as an Adobe Acrobat doc.

Jan@tameyourbrain.com) (5/15/2000 9:18 AM): Can you talk more slowly? I'm new here. devices and digital distribution. Hmm

Jan@tameyourbrain.com) (5/15/2000 9:18 AM): Hi Patti! I didn't recognize you at first. From the mall, right?

Terri Robinson (recruit2hire.com) (5/15/2000 9:18 AM): and Acrobat was offering to "give" you 10 free documents translated into their .pdf format

PattiMay-www.applecountry.net (5/15/2000 9:19 AM): yes Jan ... well actually from Apple Design :)

Jan@tameyourbrain.com) (5/15/2000 9:19 AM): OK. But does Acrobat look like a book and can you click to turn pages?

Joe Nicassio, rapidresultsmarketing.com (5/15/2000 9:19 AM): I agree. Acrobat was intended for everyone, no matter what platform your client is using.

Barbara Candelario (webupright.com) (5/15/2000 9:19 AM): Guy you're still on my list. did you get my message?

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:20 AM): Okay Jan, here's how it goes: There are new devices -- hardware -- that are basically computers with screens that let you turn pages. But the technology is slow growing because not too many people have them. I doubt if that's the way you want to go.

Jan@tameyourbrain.com) (5/15/2000 9:20 AM): I have Lotus Word Pro. Will that work also?

Andy TeBockhorst (tebockhorst.com) (5/15/2000 9:20 AM): Acrobat actually reproduces the document exactly as you published it (as if it came off your printer.) Be careful not to include large graphics etc or it will take a long time to download (if that is a concern.)

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:20 AM): Acrobat does look like a book spread when you design it that way, but there is no literal "page turning". You click to get to the next page, or simply print out the whole book on your laser printer.

Jan@tameyourbrain.com) (5/15/2000 9:21 AM): Actually, Rob, my computer crashed. But before that I had saved a book that was a free ebook and they said we could use it. Lost address.

PattiMay-www.applecountry.net (5/15/2000 9:21 AM): graphics can be pretty effectively compressed... but yes they can be a concern if too many of them

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:21 AM): Jan, Adobe makes Acrobat so that it functions as a virtual printer.for almost any application.

Andy TeBockhorst (tebockhorst.com) (5/15/2000 9:22 AM): As long as they are optimized for screen resolution (72dpi) and not print resolution, you should be fine.

Jan@tameyourbrain.com) (5/15/2000 9:22 AM): Yes, yes?

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:22 AM): You simply choose the Acrobat PDF generator/driver instead of your, say, HP LaserJet. Then it creates the PDF file, which is typically much smaller than your original document.

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:23 AM): The PROBLEM with PDF, is that it is really not secure. It is like any other computer file, which can be copied and distributed to others who haven't paid for it.

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:24 AM): If you're giving your stuff away, that's not an issue. But if you're intent on selling the book, that's a problem.

PattiMay-www.applecountry.net (5/15/2000 9:24 AM): there are some mailing lists you can join to learn the mechanics of ebooks Jan.. one you might look at is AnEbookChat... it can be subscribed to at AnEBookChat-Subscribe@egroups.com

Jan@tameyourbrain.com) (5/15/2000 9:24 AM): OK. Here's what I thought I was saying. Picture a book with the pages open on your screen. You read a page and click and it turns. Is that what you think I said?

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:24 AM): If you intend to buy the Acrobat PDF software, it's about $250. The PDF readers are free.

Joe Nicassio, rapidresultsmarketing.com (5/15/2000 9:24 AM): I believe you can put a password on your acrobat file

Andy TeBockhorst (tebockhorst.com) (5/15/2000 9:24 AM): Jan, your readers will need to have the Acrobat reader installed on their system to open the files. You'll want to include a link to Adobe's site so they can download the reader. Most people (about 72% last I read) already have it.

Jan@tameyourbrain.com) (5/15/2000 9:25 AM): Thanks, PattiMay. I just joined it. I'm looking forward to learning there too.

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:25 AM): Joe, that's true. And there are companies that say they can "secure" a PDF to a "Once only" view/print, but nobody will guarantee it.....

Arizona Reporter (azreporter.com) (5/15/2000 9:26 AM): Whew! A lot to read this morning!

PattiMay-www.applecountry.net (5/15/2000 9:26 AM): I turn docs into .pdf format for clients Jan

Jan@tameyourbrain.com) (5/15/2000 9:26 AM): Glassbook Reader looks good, but they haven't returned any of my emails. Yet.

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:26 AM): There are LOTS of reasons to consider doing an E-Book, but LOTS of reasons not to. Think carefully before taking the plunge. Once the genie's out of the bottle, it's out.

Terri Robinson (recruit2hire.com) (5/15/2000 9:26 AM): Rob, if anyone here knows how to "copy" a .pdf to save it into some other file format, please tell me! it would come in handy on the resumes I get <grin>

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:26 AM): I do, too, Patti. Mainly to keep them from editing text...

Jan@tameyourbrain.com) (5/15/2000 9:27 AM): Thanks, Patti. That's good to know.

PattiMay-www.applecountry.net (5/15/2000 9:27 AM): hehe I do it as a service Rob but yes that is a benefit too keeping their fingers off your test

Jan@tameyourbrain.com) (5/15/2000 9:27 AM): Ooooh. Him speaks about stuff I know not of. For instance, which genie are we talking about?

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:28 AM): Interesting you should ask, Terri. I haven't had the occasion to convert them from PDF back, but I haven't checked the software manual yet....

PattiMay-www.applecountry.net (5/15/2000 9:28 AM): what are the reasons not to do an ebook rob?

Joe Nicassio, rapidresultsmarketing.com (5/15/2000 9:28 AM): Terri- you can go in to the reader pull down menu's...and that will allow you to copy and paste text

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:28 AM): The genie of releasing your text out on to the web, where anyone can take it and do what they will with it, including selling as their own under their name....

PattiMay-www.applecountry.net (5/15/2000 9:29 AM): there is an extract pages option in the acrobat software.. I've not used it as yet but I believe that is supposed to do that

Terri Robinson (recruit2hire.com) (5/15/2000 9:29 AM): I think you can only do it if you buy the Adobe Acrobat, Rob - you can't do it with just the reader that I have found

Jan@tameyourbrain.com) (5/15/2000 9:30 AM): Ooh, why would they sell it when I give it for free? Oh. To make money. Maybe I should sell mine? :)

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:30 AM): Thanks, Joe. Patti, I have been approached by a number of people to release Revenge of Brand X as an E-Book. But I'm not doing it right now. And maybe won't ever, mainly for two reasons.

Arizona Reporter (azreporter.com) (5/15/2000 9:30 AM): genie - is used as a metaphor

Terri Robinson (recruit2hire.com) (5/15/2000 9:30 AM): Thanks, Joe and Patti - I will check that out

Andy TeBockhorst (tebockhorst.com) (5/15/2000 9:30 AM): Sorry, I took a phone call and missed some of the conversation. What are you trying to do with Extract pages?

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:31 AM): Of course, the most obvious is to protect sales. In my case, my service is a long term sale. Very few people wake up and say, "I'VE GOT TO HAVE BRANDING IN MY HANDS TOMORROW BEFORE THE BOSS WALKS IN."

Jan@tameyourbrain.com) (5/15/2000 9:31 AM): Thanks, A.R.

Terri Robinson (recruit2hire.com) (5/15/2000 9:31 AM): trying to copy text out of .pdf into another file format, Andy

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:32 AM): My book is not an impulse buy. More importantly, though, is that when it comes to my business, I want the book to be physically lying around on their desks where they and others can see it, not hidden away on their computers in a directory.

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:33 AM): My marketing strategy calls for people -- in both online and offline worlds -- to be able to hand others a real book. Or buy them one.

PattiMay-www.applecountry.net (5/15/2000 9:33 AM): since locks only keep the honest out... sort of plan on producing an ebook for revenue if you are willing to accept the possibility of it being copied and shared around?

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:33 AM): And then, of course, the book is $36.95 plus shipping, which is high enough for people to pass around a digital file if they were motivated to.

Jan@tameyourbrain.com) (5/15/2000 9:34 AM): What did anyone think of my e-book ad? It came in several sentences, so maybe it doesn't make sense?

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:34 AM): Fact is, Patti, there are freely accessible hack and crack sites all over the web, with serial numbers and codes for the taking.

GuyRCook - BuyOurWebservices.com (5/15/2000 9:35 AM): I would want at least an electronic table of contents online, protects your copy, but gives me an idea of the content anyway

PattiMay-www.applecountry.net (5/15/2000 9:35 AM): sure is and not hard to get into

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:35 AM): Tito, you still with us?

Jan@tameyourbrain.com) (5/15/2000 9:35 AM): Rob, don make me cry. I lub my e-book. :)

Terri Robinson (recruit2hire.com) (5/15/2000 9:36 AM): or a free chapter online would be great - Ken Evoy offers that for his MYSS book

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:36 AM): Yes, Guy is right. If you want a sample, print the Table of Contents. Even a sample chapter. That's why I did at http://www.revengeofbrandx.com. Plus more.

tito-tito@aloha.net (5/15/2000 9:36 AM): I 'm alive but its very early, thanks for asking

Joe Nicassio, rapidresultsmarketing.com (5/15/2000 9:36 AM): I've got to go- I have a phone consultation in a few minutes. Have a good week everybody

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:37 AM): Come on now, Jan. Be a soldier. Where's the smile? Gimme a smile? Come on, I'll buy ya a balloon...

Jan@tameyourbrain.com) (5/15/2000 9:37 AM): Tito is alive?

Jan@tameyourbrain.com) (5/15/2000 9:37 AM): No, no. You buy the book. Then I smile.

Terri Robinson (recruit2hire.com) (5/15/2000 9:37 AM): Joe, what is your e-mail? Can I write to ask you a question?

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:37 AM): Yes, but Frank is in Belgium at night, Tito I assume is in Hawaii where it's dawn.

Joe Nicassio, rapidresultsmarketing.com (5/15/2000 9:38 AM): Before I go--a quote for the week. "What you pay attention to determines what you miss"

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:38 AM): Jan, you become an affiliate for MY book, sell a few copies, then I buy yours...deal?

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:38 AM): Gotta generate some revenue. Kids need new shoes.

Jan@tameyourbrain.com) (5/15/2000 9:39 AM): YOU have a book? <G>

Joe Nicassio, rapidresultsmarketing.com (5/15/2000 9:39 AM): Terri-my email is joe@rapidresultsmarketing.com

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:39 AM): Jan, I can e-mail you a thwack, you know....

Terri Robinson (recruit2hire.com) (5/15/2000 9:39 AM): thanks, Joe!

PattiMay-www.applecountry.net (5/15/2000 9:39 AM): rob do you think that search portals have value in marketing or basically an overused buzz word?

Jan@tameyourbrain.com) (5/15/2000 9:40 AM): I gotta generate some revenue. Grandkids need new shoes. Your turn.

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:40 AM): Patti, define what you mean exactly by search portals -- owning one or using one?

PattiMay-www.applecountry.net (5/15/2000 9:40 AM): Entered the room.

Andy TeBockhorst (tebockhorst.com) (5/15/2000 9:41 AM): I always treat the word Portal as a buzzword, mainly because I'm not sure what it really is... everyone seems to think they are a portal

PattiMay-www.applecountry.net (5/15/2000 9:41 AM): owning one.. specifically one that targets locally owned resources

Jan@tameyourbrain.com) (5/15/2000 9:41 AM): Thank goodness you don't have my email. :)

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:42 AM): Patti, I personally think owning one is a losing battle. It's lots of work to send people away from your site. It's a bear to keep current and worst of all, there are bigger, better-resourced outfits that can outlast you.

PattiMay-www.applecountry.net (5/15/2000 9:42 AM): makes sense

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:43 AM): Fact it, most of us are small and micro businesses. We're smartest when we stick to our own niches that let us do what we do better than others who consider us too small to pursue.

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:44 AM): I personally do not link to anything because I want people to view m site as a final destination. Where would I send them, anyway -- to a competitor or another page that contains a competitor's link?

GuyRCook - BuyOurWebservices.com (5/15/2000 9:44 AM): Rob, can I ask a question, have you heard of BizBuyer.com? Thoughts?

Terri Robinson (recruit2hire.com) (5/15/2000 9:44 AM): I view portals as a related group of links where the owner is wanting to sell advertising space <grin>

PattiMay-www.applecountry.net (5/15/2000 9:44 AM): I'm looking at it being a separate site from my current one ... don't think it is something I'd integrate into the existing one but use it to help promote the name locally.. but you've got a point

PattiMay-www.applecountry.net (5/15/2000 9:44 AM): actually it is Terri .. there are a lot of local businesses not yet on the web

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:45 AM): Think of it like this: If you can build a solid, supportive community of 10,000 users, you could conceivably retire. If you can build it to 100,000 you can retire in style.

Arizona Reporter (azreporter.com) (5/15/2000 9:45 AM): gee, I might be in the wrong business <grin>

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:45 AM): Guy, is BizBuyer the aggregator?

GuyRCook - BuyOurWebservices.com (5/15/2000 9:46 AM): They are a B2B lead generator, buyers and sellers swap meet sort of.

GuyRCook - BuyOurWebservices.com (5/15/2000 9:46 AM): aggregator is too big of a word for this farm boy

PattiMay-www.applecountry.net (5/15/2000 9:47 AM): that sounds like Rob's list guy

Jan@tameyourbrain.com) (5/15/2000 9:47 AM): Sounds like Robs the agravator. :)

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:47 AM): Guy, you crack me up...They're much like Respond.com. Where you submit a request and appropriate vendors "reverse auction" for your business, resulting with you taking the lowest bid.

Barbara Candelario (webupright.com) (5/15/2000 9:47 AM): Patti, my exact sentiments

GuyRCook - BuyOurWebservices.com (5/15/2000 9:47 AM): It's sort of different from the email list

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:48 AM): Hey, careful...there are TWO g's in "Aggravator"....

GuyRCook - BuyOurWebservices.com (5/15/2000 9:48 AM): Yes, I have had MANY requests coming thru but want a second opinion

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:49 AM): Guy, everyone I've talked to who uses these things has no complaints. It's a no risk deal for the user, because it's the vendors who pay all the costs.

GuyRCook - BuyOurWebservices.com (5/15/2000 9:49 AM): BizBuyer is different they charge me to submit a quote, win or lose.

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:49 AM): The problem is not the service, but the due diligence on the part of the vendors -- in other words, many skunks out there know you're eager to do business, so you tend to get a higher than normal number of flakes...

Arizona Reporter (azreporter.com) (5/15/2000 9:50 AM): but, I'll stick to my niche in the web news biz

PattiMay-www.applecountry.net (5/15/2000 9:50 AM): so does respond.com

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:50 AM): So the fee and the quality of leads are the two biggest issues, in my mind.

GuyRCook - BuyOurWebservices.com (5/15/2000 9:50 AM): I go thru the RFQ's and pick the ones that are "local" to me

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:50 AM): (TEN MINUTE WARNING)

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:51 AM): What are they charging these days?

GuyRCook - BuyOurWebservices.com (5/15/2000 9:51 AM): My big concern is how many of the RFQ's are legitimate and how many are scapping email addresses?

Andy TeBockhorst (tebockhorst.com) (5/15/2000 9:51 AM): bye gang... sorry about the truck thing. I'll ice up and be fresh next week!

PattiMay-www.applecountry.net (5/15/2000 9:52 AM): I dumped respond.com when I wasn't even getting acknowledgement of the bids let alone any work

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:52 AM): The other problem, Guy, is the "overease" factor: Many users of the service see how easy it ease to submit a request that they do it without being truly serious about doing business. That can lead to very long, frustrating sales cycles...

Jan@tameyourbrain.com) (5/15/2000 9:52 AM): Brr. Andy. Bye.

GuyRCook - BuyOurWebservices.com (5/15/2000 9:52 AM): For a web hosting rfq it's I think $3 each one, and a percent of the contract

Terri Robinson (recruit2hire.com) (5/15/2000 9:53 AM): Respond is charging $9.95 a month now I think, Rob - but supposedly you can use certain categories for free still - I think that isn't true - at least it won't let me answer any requests in the free categories until I give them my credit card number! bye Andy!

GuyRCook - BuyOurWebservices.com (5/15/2000 9:53 AM): The money isn't the issue, it's if the bids are all verified as not being high school kids doing a report on the www

Joel (VentajaGlobal@Yahoo.com) (5/15/2000 9:53 AM): Rob - I've got a question. Not about branding, though. Where can I find out about the requirements for *Blue Skying* a venture (getting an exemption to sell stock in a company) in California?

GuyRCook - BuyOurWebservices.com (5/15/2000 9:54 AM): BizBuyer did qualify me as a preferred vendor after contacting referrals I gave

GuyRCook - BuyOurWebservices.com (5/15/2000 9:54 AM): Thanks Rob gotta go. Appreciate your thoughts

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:55 AM): It won't get better until the service establish an E-Bay-like system of community ratings. That could take a while.

Jan@tameyourbrain.com) (5/15/2000 9:55 AM): Rob, have you already answered the question about the date really being 100? :)

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:55 AM): Yikes, Joel. that's to far afield for me. Have you posted a request to the list? We have financial members...

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:56 AM): Yes, Jan...my script writer didn't make it Y2K compliant. But I usually fix it when I archive the sessions.

Joel (VentajaGlobal@Yahoo.com) (5/15/2000 9:56 AM): That's a good idea. Thanks again for the clinic.. and the Biz list.

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:57 AM): No problem. I'm trying to bring more people in so that we can get more deals. Our last advertiser got over 200 responses in the first three days!

Terri Robinson (recruit2hire.com) (5/15/2000 9:58 AM): Hey James, have you checked out who is advertising on the Republic and go after them to advertise on your site?

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:58 AM): So the more people we can bring in, the better chance I can bring in better deals for the group.

PattiMay-www.applecountry.net (5/15/2000 9:59 AM): how many on the list now rob?

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:59 AM): (TWO MINUTES)

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:59 AM): Couple a thousand, Patti.

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 9:59 AM): But that's not counting the passalongs....

PattiMay-www.applecountry.net (5/15/2000 10:00 AM): so the last one got roughly 10% response from the list ... that is pretty decent

Arizona Reporter (azreporter.com) (5/15/2000 10:00 AM): Yes, Terri I have, but I'm studying the legal ramifications first. I don't want to get in a dog fight with them plus my audience is more "web-centric" then theirs. So, I'm looking for advertisers from a variety of sources.

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 10:00 AM): Trust me, Patti...that was only the first three days...

Jan@tameyourbrain.com) (5/15/2000 10:01 AM): Thanks, Rob and everyone. Bye.

RobFrankel (rob@robfrankel.com) (5/15/2000 10:01 AM): Okay, folks, GREAT session today. Lots of good stuff. Gotta go, but I'll see you online!

PattiMay-www.applecountry.net (5/15/2000 10:01 AM): take care rob

Joel (VentajaGlobal@Yahoo.com) (5/15/2000 10:01 AM): Adios amigos!

Terri Robinson (recruit2hire.com) (5/15/2000 10:02 AM): Rob and everyone, thanks for a very illuminating session today! See you all next week! James, e-mail me if you'd like - I have learned some good ways to find out who is linking to who and some approaches to take legally :)

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