Transcript of Frankel's Free Clinic June 29, 1998

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:00 AM): Greetings...

Angela Smith (6/29/98 9:00 AM): Morning Rob

Jacob (6/29/98 9:01 AM): Entered the room.

Tina Thomas (6/29/98 9:01 AM): Entered the room.

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:01 AM): So.. what's on everyone's minds this morning?

Jacob (6/29/98 9:01 AM): Good mornin' everyone

Tina Thomas (6/29/98 9:01 AM): Good Morning...

Jacob (6/29/98 9:02 AM): DHTML

Ira Pasternack (6/29/98 9:02 AM): Entered the room.

Angela Smith (6/29/98 9:02 AM): Hi Ira and all

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:02 AM): DHTML? Isn't that a little technical?

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:03 AM): Jan, just because it's your first time here is no excuse for not jumping in...

Jacob (6/29/98 9:03 AM): Yep, very technical. For the past 4-5 days I have been teaching myself DHTML and completely DHTML-izing

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:04 AM): With what goal in mind, Jacob?

Ira Pasternack (6/29/98 9:04 AM): Hi All - and good morning/afternoon/evening (pick as appropriate to your time zone :)

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:04 AM): Jan, what do you do?

Jacob (6/29/98 9:05 AM): Rob- knowledge is goal enough. The new Y3K I'm working on will blow you away.

Jan (6/29/98 9:05 AM): I am a personal and professional success coach among other things. I have clients both here (Charleston, SC) locally as well as on the net

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:06 AM): Angela, what are you doing these days?

Jacob (6/29/98 9:06 AM): Jan, what exactly is a success coach?

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:06 AM): And what can we do for you today Jan?

Tina Thomas (6/29/98 9:06 AM): Isn't GeoCities using DHTML to put there logo/link floating in the lower right corner of member sites... DHTML has good marketing/branding use from what little I've seen of it.

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:06 AM): Jacob, where are you learning about DHTML so others can do the same?

Jacob (6/29/98 9:07 AM): Tina, you're exactly right. After seeing that it really sparked my interest and that's why I'm pursuing it now.

Angela Smith (6/29/98 9:07 AM): Rob, two major ventures. WWIO, my baby provides FREE Content to anyone who wants it and is ad revenue generated AND

Jan (6/29/98 9:07 AM): I coach business people just as a traditional coach would coach an athlete in training. I am here just to see what's going on and meet some of you folks

Jacob (6/29/98 9:07 AM): Rob, a GREAT bookmark list that I developed for myself. I can send the list of sites to the group if you want.

Tina Thomas (6/29/98 9:08 AM): Jan...what's your URL?

Angela Smith (6/29/98 9:08 AM): Photos 2 Puzzles helps you relive your favorite memories one-piece at a time by turning your photos into beautiful jigsaw puzzles! Retail all the way.

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:08 AM): Jacob, that might be a useful TIP on the list.

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:09 AM): Angela, are these digital onscreen puzzles or real cardboard stuff?

Jacob (6/29/98 9:09 AM): Cool, I'll send it in right after the chat.

Angela Smith (6/29/98 9:10 AM): High quality puzzle board stuff. Better than Milton Bradley :-)

Jan (6/29/98 9:10 AM): M site is temporarily down as I search for a new server. I do have a listing on the coach referral directory at International Coaching Federation

Jan (6/29/98 9:10 AM): what do some of you do?

Alicia (6/29/98 9:10 AM): Entered the room.

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:10 AM): Hey Jan, have you talked to Angela about her free server space? Heh, heh...

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:11 AM): Angela, what's your puzzle URL? And why haven't we heard about it on the list?

Jacob (6/29/98 9:11 AM): This is a little out of left field for the list, but does anyone have any idea how one might get online (or access to email) while vacationing in the Bahamas, for example?

Jan (6/29/98 9:11 AM): Angela, will you please contact me at thanx

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:12 AM): Jacob, most hotels have the facility for you. Most American services also have access numbers there.

Jacob (6/29/98 9:12 AM): Really? I didn't think they did. Thanks.

Jan (6/29/98 9:12 AM): Jacob, I was in Freeport last summer and it is difficult, but you might be able to get it done. Please email me and I'll tell you what I know.

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:12 AM): This puzzle thing intrigues me. Can they be done as promotional items?

Angela Smith (6/29/98 9:12 AM): Rob, site is offline. Had it on Tripod and am now putting it on one of my real servers. Didn't mention it cause I hate the fact I haven't got it finished yet.

Ira Pasternack (6/29/98 9:13 AM): Jacob, will you have a laptop with you? If so, check national ISPs, IBM should definitely have access there... if no laptop, try a search for Internet Cafes in the area.

Angela Smith (6/29/98 9:13 AM): Jan, sure will contact you after the chat.

Jacob (6/29/98 9:13 AM): Ira, yep, I'm taking my laptop.

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:13 AM): Ira, I know that Yahoo lets you access your mail from hell, too.

Ira Pasternack (6/29/98 9:14 AM): Good question (to Angela), Rob - I was wondering if a company could use them as a give away...

Jan (6/29/98 9:14 AM): Jacob, where in the Bahamas will you be? I know one of the techs at the Bahamas service provider. I can try to dig up his name for you.

Tina Thomas (6/29/98 9:14 AM): Angela, please let us know when they are up and running, I too am intrigued at the promotion potential.

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:14 AM): Yeah, if the price is right, a puzzle could be great promo.

Jacob (6/29/98 9:14 AM): Jan- Club Med in Eleuthra

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:15 AM): UH OH --ANGELA IS BECOMING A STAR and her site isn't up!!!!

Angela Smith (6/29/98 9:15 AM): Ira, they make great giveaways. But it's not REALLY cost effective as a PERSONAL Prize for the individual winner.

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:15 AM): Well, at least we know Jacob has solved the marketing strategy for how to meet women....

Tina Thomas (6/29/98 9:15 AM): Pre-Launch BUZZZZ... good stuff! :)

Tina Thomas (6/29/98 9:15 AM): Pre-Launch BUZZZZ... good stuff! :)

Angela Smith (6/29/98 9:15 AM): Thanks rob!!!

Jacob (6/29/98 9:16 AM): Rob knows me WAY too well!

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:16 AM): Angela, are you saying that these puzzles are $$$?

Angela Smith (6/29/98 9:16 AM): Tina, need an e-mail.

Jan (6/29/98 9:17 AM): Jacob, why don't you contact Club Med in advance and ask them if they have access? The local internet service and the local phone service can be very challenging

Tina Thomas (6/29/98 9:17 AM): Tina Thomas, Internet Marketing Consultant, Diligent Communications -

Angela Smith (6/29/98 9:17 AM): Rob, most expensive puzzle (on chipboard) is $33.00 and it's about 15 x 20 inches. How dose that fair for a prize?

Cynthia Bentley (6/29/98 9:17 AM): Entered the room.

Jacob (6/29/98 9:17 AM): I guess that's what I'll have to do Jan.

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:18 AM): Why anyone would want to check e-mail when they should be checking out string bikinis is totally beyond my comprehension...

Alicia (6/29/98 9:18 AM): Jacob, you could call your ISP and if they have an 800# or a dial-up # for that area, they will give it to you

Jacob (6/29/98 9:18 AM): Angela, is it only puzzles, or do you do other things?

Tina Thomas (6/29/98 9:18 AM): Down Rob...

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:18 AM): Angela, it's cheap for a prize, expensive for a giveaway. I suppose one could give away lots of prizes...what's the turnaround time?

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:19 AM): Tina, I'm only human...and married ....with kids...

Angela Smith (6/29/98 9:19 AM): Jacob, I have lines for photo t-shirts, hats, ties, calendars, mugs, mousepads and more. But these are not for promotional stuff. Really unique gifts instead.

Alicia (6/29/98 9:20 AM): what kind of contest is it that the puzzle is a prize for?

Ira Pasternack (6/29/98 9:20 AM): I had the same thought that Rob had about Jacob and checking email... and on a serious note, does anyone have some thoughts about the best way to let clients know when you won't be checking email for a few days (it has to happen on occasion :)

Angela Smith (6/29/98 9:20 AM): Rob, we say 3-4 weeks, usually 2-3 though.

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:20 AM): Interesting positioning question, Angela, since most items like that are considered to be promotional in nature.

Tina Thomas (6/29/98 9:21 AM): Not going to be there.... use autoresponders!!!

Alicia (6/29/98 9:21 AM): You can do an auto-response from your should be able to, and maybe give them an alternate address for anything urgent

Jacob (6/29/98 9:21 AM): (Ok, now that we all know about Jacob's vacationing preferences, can we get back to business?)

Jan (6/29/98 9:21 AM): Ira, I generally send out an email in advance of traveling, letting everyone know when I will or won't be checking mail. Pretty basic, but it seems to work

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:21 AM): I never use an autoresponders. It angers clients.

Angela Smith (6/29/98 9:22 AM): We offer promotional puzzles, a cheaper thinner version.

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:22 AM): People get pissed off with autoresponders. The fact is that you're rarely out of touch more than a few days. Clients would rather wait...

Louise the Soaplady (6/29/98 9:22 AM): Entered the room.

Alicia (6/29/98 9:22 AM): yes, I feel that way about voicemail

Tina Thomas (6/29/98 9:22 AM): How so Rob?

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:23 AM): ...the fact is that even though we CAN get back to clients immediately, we almost NEVER have to. Don't let the technology fool you...

Alicia (6/29/98 9:23 AM): I am writing a series of children's books...and I was toying with the idea of making a semi-interactive sight and selling advertising on it..providing it is successful......what do you guys think of the idea?

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:24 AM): I have only one guarantee that I ALWAYS give clients: "I'll get back to you faster than you'll get back to me." I can make that promise because I know clients have other things to take care of.

Angela Smith (6/29/98 9:24 AM): Rob, those other items are actual photos, not logos with one or two colors on them.

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:24 AM): Alicia, that's a toughie. I had a client that tried that.

Jacob (6/29/98 9:25 AM): Alicia, that's a great idea, I love interactive sites. Anything other than static/regular/non-immersive web pages.

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:25 AM): We also had a list member that tried that. From Ireland, I believe....

Alicia (6/29/98 9:25 AM): so....what prevented it's success?

Ira Pasternack (6/29/98 9:25 AM): Good point Rob - that has been made very obvious to me today, as I sort through tons of email that came in over the past few days, while I was on the road for work and then taking a few days to relax. I'm actually more efficient being able to deal with some things all at once. But, some email is vital, and if a client has a vital matter, I want them to know ahead of time if I'm away.

Louise the Soaplady (6/29/98 9:25 AM): Entered the room.

Jacob (6/29/98 9:26 AM): Alicia, you might want to look into DHTML for something like that. I was very amazed at the power it gives you in controlling elements on a site.

Alicia (6/29/98 9:26 AM): Well, I figure that the initial draw would have to be the visual appeal, with the quality and content of the writing, the hook that catches them. If a kid likes a site, and a parent likes it enough to encourage the kids to stay there......

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:26 AM): Alicia, I can't tell you if they are successful, but they are obviously not household names. Mostly, though, it's their lack of experience that's holding them back.

Angela Smith (6/29/98 9:27 AM): Rob, those other items are actual photos, not logos with one or two colors on them.

Alicia (6/29/98 9:27 AM): ok. Their lack of experience what area?

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:27 AM): One site began with a character from public TV and the other built a line of beanie baby type toys and tried to link it with a reward program online...

Ira Pasternack (6/29/98 9:27 AM): Before you go ahead with an interactive Web site, you should think about how you can use a simpler site as part of an interactive *Internet Presence*.

Alicia (6/29/98 9:28 AM): I would like to know more about DHTML, is there a URL? or you can email me at

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:29 AM): Alicia, the #1 problem I have with clients is that they stay self-centered about their product and never realize the importance of the other players that make their biz a success. They think they can just put their product out there and people will snap

Alicia (6/29/98 9:29 AM): Ira, I really am thinking less interactive...and more ...draw the child along, with the writing being the bulk of the content.

Jacob (6/29/98 9:29 AM): On a side note, I have a pretty cool marketing achievement to announce- Jerry Vale will be appearing in National TV commercials for one of my client's products- .

Cynthia Bentley (6/29/98 9:29 AM): There's a DHTML for dummies book that I find helpful.

Jacob (6/29/98 9:29 AM): Alicia, keep an eye on the mailing list, later today I'll send over some URLs so people can get more info on DHTML.

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:29 AM): Alicia, the biggest missing piece is their lack of attention to marketing and promotion.

Louise the Soaplady (6/29/98 9:30 AM): that is great Jacob!!

Alicia (6/29/98 9:30 AM): Thanks Jacob, I appreciate that.

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:30 AM): JERRY VALE??? OUTSTANDING!! Jacob, you're so on target, man!

Tina Thomas (6/29/98 9:30 AM): Whether you are introducing products online or offline, plan out with a clear understanding of who this will appeal to and do the research to prove out that the market is there (Mktg 101).

Alicia (6/29/98 9:31 AM): ok..this is a personal ambition..writing. I am yet 22, and I work for a new company that does mktg/adv on the Internet

Tina Thomas (6/29/98 9:31 AM): Congrats Jacob! Good Job!!!

Jacob (6/29/98 9:31 AM): Yep, they're filming the commercial now. The best part is that, in addition to my fees, I get commissions on everything sold from the site!

Jan (6/29/98 9:31 AM): That's terrific, Jacob!!!

Ira Pasternack (6/29/98 9:32 AM): Alicia, is your book written yet?

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:32 AM): Tina is right. You have to see way beyond your product issues. Remember the

Alicia (6/29/98 9:32 AM): Congrats, Jacob. That is excellent.

Jacob (6/29/98 9:32 AM): As much as I love adulation, I didn't want to detract from the conversation. So- back to business everyone.

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:32 AM): Alicia, if you're under-funded, start looking for a sponsor now....

Alicia (6/29/98 9:32 AM): The first one is...and the second one has started.....the series isn't finished

Ira Pasternack (6/29/98 9:33 AM): What is your objective in writing these books, Alicia?

Alicia (6/29/98 9:33 AM): It is my hope that the series won't be finished anytime soon *grin*

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:33 AM): There happen to be LOTS of kids sites on the web...and lots of sponsors who are looking for content.

Jacob (6/29/98 9:33 AM): I second Rob's suggestion. Funding is so **** hard to find, so start looking!

Alicia (6/29/98 9:33 AM): Ok, I was wondering about the cost projections of something like is still just an idea.

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:34 AM): Sponsors, incidentally, may not be kid sites, but sites aimed at adults with kids....

Alicia (6/29/98 9:34 AM): My objective.......I love kids, and I like to write...and I really like the character the book is based around. He cracks me up. I like to do it, and I am doing would be nice to make some money doing it....and it is a creative challenge

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:34 AM): Alicia, are you producing the books yourself or looking for a publisher?

Jacob (6/29/98 9:35 AM): For cost projections you have to figure out how much you can do yourself and what you need other people for.

Alicia (6/29/98 9:35 AM): yes, rob..that would be my target market...adults with kids

Tina Thomas (6/29/98 9:35 AM): Hey gang, I'm offsite and gotta roll... I'll be in my office in about an hour or so... make it a great week!

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:35 AM): My suggestion is to prototype the books and then take them to a sponsor who would market them through their resources as a value add to their own product or service.

Alicia (6/29/98 9:36 AM): I haven't pushed for publication yet.

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:36 AM): Bye Tina!

Angela Smith (6/29/98 9:36 AM): Alicia, think about Parents Magazine then. I tell you, I did a site called and she got in Parents this month. Her hits increased by 6,000 in a week and a half.

Louise the Soaplady (6/29/98 9:37 AM): I would like to present an offer to the FrankelBees, but I am hesitant.. I need ideas of what to offer?

Alicia (6/29/98 9:37 AM): Thank you for all of this great advice. I am so uncertain. I spend most of the day on the internet, I am in the process of learning so many things..and writing. The company I work for is just going to be putting up a site

Ira Pasternack (6/29/98 9:37 AM): Alicia, I have some ideas about how you could use your content in such a way that complimentary sites will want to use it, and will provide a place for you to advertise in the process.

Alicia (6/29/98 9:37 AM): I am overwhelmed, to say the least

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:38 AM): Now you know why we do this stuff on line and here every week...

Alicia (6/29/98 9:38 AM): Ira, that is great! Thank You also Angela, I could use any reference

Jacob (6/29/98 9:38 AM): Alicia, overwhelming is the coolest part of the net, embrace it and then dive in!

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:38 AM): Louise, what's the problem?

Alicia (6/29/98 9:39 AM): I am excited to join this field, I love mktg/ is a great game, and I live on my computer. Hopefully, I can become semi-proficient.

Angela Smith (6/29/98 9:39 AM): Alicia, need an e-mail. Mine is

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:40 AM): AHA! Another FrankelBiz connection!

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:40 AM): Louise? You there?

Ira Pasternack (6/29/98 9:40 AM): My ideas for Alicia involve creating a "class" with, and then making that available as a tool for sites in your target market to use as a way to build relationships with their clients... you'd end up with a series of "lessons" that could actually be chapters of a book, and each chapter/lesson would include an ad for both the host site and for the creator of the resource.

Alicia (6/29/98 9:40 AM):

Louise the Soaplady (6/29/98 9:40 AM): Just not sure what to offer.. I need to plan for fall/Christmas (already), wanted the FrankelBees to participate

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:41 AM): Louise, what about creating a series of giftpacks? I can tell you that sending women gifts in business is SO tough, given the sex-phobic world we live in...

Louise the Soaplady (6/29/98 9:41 AM): you know, since I am manufacturing anyway.. I have gotten so much from your list Rob, that I want to give everyone something back?

Alicia (6/29/98 9:42 AM): Ira, that sounds really interesting......could we communicate through email..

Jan (6/29/98 9:42 AM): Louise, do you do gift baskets? Do you mail to individuals?

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:42 AM): Louise, give them a really nice gift that they can send to others. I'm not kidding, yours is the perfect, impossible-to-misinterpret gift that's safe for men to send women...

Louise the Soaplady (6/29/98 9:43 AM): I do a "soap of the month" club LOL

Alicia (6/29/98 9:43 AM): I have a few questions about how 'alliances' are formed on the net

Jorge R (6/29/98 9:43 AM): Entered the room.

Jan (6/29/98 9:43 AM): Louise, I love it.

Angela Smith (6/29/98 9:43 AM): Louise, sounds cool... LOL

Ira Pasternack (6/29/98 9:43 AM): Sure, Alicia... send me a message at, tell me a bit about the books as a place to start. This actually gives me some other idea, I know about 3-4 other people who have written children's books, maybe we can even market them together somehow...

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:44 AM): Offer those gifts to the list as "business gifts". You'll sell a lot more and gain way more exposure. Use my positioning...

Louise the Soaplady (6/29/98 9:44 AM): okay, Rob you know your participants best.. how big a basket should I make it :)

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:44 AM): What's your question about alliances?

Charles Alvis (6/29/98 9:45 AM): Entered the room.

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:45 AM): You should make it a package under $20 retail that looks like $50. Orders of 10 or more should get a value added, like a nice card or discount. Remember, this is for list member to send to THEIR customers and clients..

Alicia (6/29/98 9:45 AM): well, there are so many of them formed....I am just wondering how that comes about

Alicia (6/29/98 9:46 AM): who approaches whom? and what sort of exchange is there, and...what is the basis for forming the alliance?

Louise the Soaplady (6/29/98 9:46 AM): ok, will do, think it is too early to present this to the list? Or should I just do it LOL

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:46 AM): Alicia, I kid you not: they pick up the phone and start talking. I can also tell you that these forums helps and shows like Internet World are great places to meet people. They want to do business as much as you do.

Jacob (6/29/98 9:46 AM): Alicia, it isn't so difficult, just make sure other people know what you do so they could contact you if interested, and if you are interested in forming one with anyone, just talk to them.

Angela Smith (6/29/98 9:47 AM): Alicia, places like here and Rob's list. Hard work, dedication and desire to provide a win-win situation for both parties.

Alicia (6/29/98 9:47 AM): My company is new, and our site(s) aren't up yet....our competitors have already started all of these major strategic alliances.......I don't want us to be left behind

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:48 AM): Louise, you should probably start thinking about two versions: one for people to bring home for Thanksgiving and another for year-end Christmas. You can always test the program earlier, too.

Louise the Soaplady (6/29/98 9:48 AM): how busy should a site be before it can realistically take on advertising?

Ira Pasternack (6/29/98 9:48 AM): Another key for alliances is to make sure you can get along, have common philosophies, etc.

Ira Pasternack (6/29/98 9:48 AM): What does your company do, Alicia?

Alicia (6/29/98 9:49 AM): Louise, do you have a URL? You have peaked my interest...who knows, maybe my position will improve enough to send 'business' gifts by the holidays

Charles Alvis (6/29/98 9:49 AM): How do I go about getting some internet advertising help for a small company?

Jacob (6/29/98 9:49 AM): Rob, what type of advertisers you think would be most attracted to my personal site at ?

Angela Smith (6/29/98 9:49 AM): Louise if the visitors are highly targeted you don't need as many, otherwise, a lot.

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:50 AM): Louise, sell banner ads to anyone who will pay. Your site is a "quality" sell, not "quantity". That's a tougher sell. My advice is to stick to your knitting. If some dope wants to pay to run banners, take his money. But that's not your main line of b

Alicia (6/29/98 9:50 AM): Ira, we are providing a service, mktg products for clients through a very uncomplicated and interesting site, for free.....with our income being the fee from the clients

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:51 AM): Haven't gotten t Jacob. Will do this week.

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:51 AM): (SEVEN MINUTE WARNING)

Louise the Soaplady (6/29/98 9:52 AM): no that is true, I would also be selective as to what ad space I would sell. thanks

Jacob (6/29/98 9:52 AM): In that case, I would suggest you check it out in the next day or so and then again once I upload all the DHTML. Actually, I will leave both versions online and leave the original as the non-DHTL version of the site.

Louise the Soaplady (6/29/98 9:52 AM): My URL is

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:52 AM): But the main thing we gotta do is encourage people to post their business needs and stuff to the FrankelBiz list. I can't tell you how well it's worked for our sponsors and members.

Ira Pasternack (6/29/98 9:52 AM): Well, Alicia, when you email me about your book, include some info about your company also, as it sounds like we may be able to find some common ground there too :)

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:53 AM): Louise, your site is so well named, it has to be a no-brainer. I love that name and the whole feel of the thing.

Alicia (6/29/98 9:53 AM): heh, ok Ira, I'll see what I can do

Ira Pasternack (6/29/98 9:53 AM): Rob, when you say "business need", do you mean needs they are willing to pay for?

Angela Smith (6/29/98 9:54 AM): Charles what kind of help are you looking for?

Alicia (6/29/98 9:54 AM): I have so many ideas about mktg, I wish I could do something with them all

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:54 AM): I mean anything that will help their businesses along. People need to understand that we're all in the same boat.

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:55 AM): Charles, I'm sorry...what kind of help are you looking for?

Charles Alvis (6/29/98 9:55 AM): I looking for someone that can help me develop some type of promotional plan.

Alicia (6/29/98 9:55 AM): Louise, I love your site. It is so relaxing. I think I will crawl under my desk and take a nap. =D

Charles Alvis (6/29/98 9:55 AM): Need some help with formulating an Internet advertising plan.

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:55 AM): Charles, you have GOT to post to the FrankelBiz list. We've got LOTS of people who do this

Angela Smith (6/29/98 9:56 AM): What business is it?

Ira Pasternack (6/29/98 9:56 AM): What type of business do you have, Charles? If I can't help directly, I can probably refer you to someone...

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:56 AM): (TWO MINUTES)

Charles Alvis (6/29/98 9:56 AM): OK, Rob, what information do I put in my query to the list?

Alicia (6/29/98 9:56 AM): Ira, when you email me, please tell me a lot more about what YOU do. Ok?

Cynthia Bentley (6/29/98 9:57 AM): Alicia, why don't you publish your ideas on the Web. I'd be happy to provide links.

Charles Alvis (6/29/98 9:57 AM): We sell drug testing products and so far business has been good.

Ira Pasternack (6/29/98 9:57 AM): OK, Alicia... you will send me something first?

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:57 AM): Charles, simply title it "HELP: Need promotional guidance for my site". Then explain your situation. You'll be amazed at the response.

Cynthia Bentley (6/29/98 9:58 AM): (I run Advertising Online at The Mining Co.)

Alicia (6/29/98 9:58 AM): Cynthia, I don't know very much about that,, but I would love to learn more. If you would be willing to email me at, I would appreciate it.

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:58 AM): Charles, that's a fascinating business! Do you help them fake it or help them find it?

Alicia (6/29/98 9:58 AM): Sure, Ira, although it won't be much for about 2 weeks. I am in the process of moving.

Cynthia Bentley (6/29/98 9:59 AM): will do Alicia

Charles Alvis (6/29/98 9:59 AM): OK, Rob I'll do that. I help them on both ends.

Angela Smith (6/29/98 9:59 AM): Rob and all, thanks for the advice about our jigsaw puzzles. I'll let the list know when the site is done too.

Rob Frankel (6/29/98 9:59 AM): Hey guys, this was great. I've gotta run, but PLEASE feel free to stick around. I'll see you online. Otherwise, you know where to find me!

Alicia (6/29/98 9:59 AM): Thanks, Cynthia. ...Thanks, everyone...this is great.

Ira Pasternack (6/29/98 9:59 AM): Alicia, just send a quick email as soon as you can, to get things started...

Cynthia Bentley (6/29/98 10:00 AM): bye Rob

Alicia (6/29/98 10:00 AM): No problem Ira, I'll make sure to find something to say.

Jacob (6/29/98 10:01 AM): Entered the room.

Jacob (6/29/98 10:01 AM): oops

Jacob (6/29/98 10:02 AM): Great talking with everyone!

Louise the Soaplady (6/29/98 10:02 AM): going to check out mobhits now Jacob

Angela Smith (6/29/98 10:03 AM): Same here. Jan, I'll e-mail you and Alicia you too. Anyone else interested in puzzles, let me know.

Charles Alvis (6/29/98 10:03 AM): Rob, I am going to put together my query. I'll talk to you later. Thanks for the help.

Ira Pasternack (6/29/98 10:03 AM): Great to see you all, gotta run, but hope to see you again next week. :)

Alicia (6/29/98 10:04 AM): I must go also. Everyone, Have A Great Day! See ya next week. =)

Louise the Soaplady (6/29/98 10:04 AM): bye Ira!

Charles Alvis (6/29/98 10:08 AM): Rob, I am going to put together my query. I'll talk to you later. Thanks for the help.

Charles Alvis (6/29/98 10:09 AM): OK, Rob I'll do that. I help them on both ends.

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