Transcript of Frankel's Free Clinic June 29, 1999

Terri ( (6/28/99 9:02 AM): hmm guess no one is coming since Rob won't be here :(

Guy Cook - (6/28/99 9:04 AM): Entered the room.

Guy Cook - (6/28/99 9:04 AM): I am going to be here, wouldn't miss it. Have to go answer some questions in the house back in a few.

Terri ( (6/28/99 9:05 AM): Hi Guy!

Terri ( (6/28/99 9:05 AM): okay :)

Louise ( (6/28/99 9:06 AM): Entered the room.

Terri ( (6/28/99 9:06 AM): Hi Louise!

Louise ( (6/28/99 9:07 AM): hey terri! just the person I wanted to chat with this morning! :)

Terri ( (6/28/99 9:07 AM): great! :D

Louise ( (6/28/99 9:07 AM): I need some help.. I am thinking about applying for an Internet Marketing job ( soap doesn't keep me busy enough!)

Terri ( (6/28/99 9:08 AM): are you looking for a telecommuting type job?

Louise ( (6/28/99 9:09 AM): yes that would be best

Muhammad( (6/28/99 9:09 AM): Entered the room.

Terri ( (6/28/99 9:09 AM): well .. I'll be glad to help in any way I can :)

Terri ( (6/28/99 9:09 AM): hi Muhammed! I saw your post in I-Sales the other day :)

Andy TeBockhorst ( (6/28/99 9:10 AM): Entered the room.

Andy TeBockhorst ( (6/28/99 9:11 AM): Good morning all! I know Rob's not here, but I think we can handle a few items ourselves. Anyone have anything in particular they want to talk about?

Terri ( (6/28/99 9:11 AM): hi Andy!

Andy TeBockhorst ( (6/28/99 9:12 AM): Will anyone be attending the Web Design World conference in Seattle in July? I'm going (can't wait!) I'd love to meet a few FrankelBees while I'm there!

Louise ( (6/28/99 9:13 AM): perhaps:)

Terri ( (6/28/99 9:13 AM): I won't be making that one, Andy. Maybe you can give all of us an update on it when you get back :)

Guy Cook - (6/28/99 9:14 AM): What is the URL of that event Andy? I live about 30 min away from Seattle

Andy TeBockhorst ( (6/28/99 9:14 AM): The whole rundown is on thunderlizard's website (

Guy Cook - (6/28/99 9:15 AM): That usually means I can't afford it...sigh.

Muhammad( (6/28/99 9:15 AM): Thanks, just made another one....

Guy Cook - (6/28/99 9:15 AM): I am looking for a bit of help with a shopping cart program, any thoughts

Terri ( (6/28/99 9:16 AM): I know someone who is an expert on shopping carts Guy - I would be happy to refer him to you if you'd like

Andy TeBockhorst ( (6/28/99 9:16 AM): It's a lot of technical stuff (not my bag) but web marketing is July 21 and goes for $395

Guy Cook - (6/28/99 9:17 AM): I was really looking more for a script I can setup myself rather than make a whole contract with a sub out of it.

Andy TeBockhorst ( (6/28/99 9:17 AM): You all probably got my post asking people what software they use to develop websites.

Terri ( (6/28/99 9:18 AM): I don't think I got that, Andy

Terri ( (6/28/99 9:18 AM): Guy, you might check out they have lots of scripts

Andy TeBockhorst ( (6/28/99 9:19 AM): I'd like to hear what all of you are using. The responses I got from the list (LOTS OF EM!) were fairly consistent. The major majority of them liked Dreamweaver. A large group were pro FrontPage, but an even larger group was anti-FrontPage (all hail Microsoft!)

Guy Cook - (6/28/99 9:19 AM): Thanks Terri, I will copy that and put it into the other window

Terri ( (6/28/99 9:20 AM): I don't use any of those, Andy - still handwriting HTML in Notepad *grin*

Muhammad( (6/28/99 9:20 AM): IMHO, if your serious you will use is really to import existing pages into without corrupting the code...and you can hard code and use WYSIWYG

Louise ( (6/28/99 9:20 AM): I hacked a shopping cart script called S-mart

Muhammad( (6/28/99 9:21 AM): I've linked notepad to Dreamweaver so I get the best of both

Andy TeBockhorst ( (6/28/99 9:21 AM): Other popular software included Pagemill, Net Objects Fusion (though it's a little tough to learn) and several text editors for those true HTML gurus.

Andy TeBockhorst ( (6/28/99 9:22 AM): I'm turning this into an informal survey, and I'll post the results on the mailing list in a few days.

Louise ( (6/28/99 9:22 AM): yes I also have used Fusion I like it, although I usually use FP then tweak it a LOT LOL

Terri ( (6/28/99 9:22 AM): I will check that out, Muhammed - from all I have heard, FrontPage still leaves things that need to be hand edited to clean up the code

Guy Cook - (6/28/99 9:22 AM): FrontPage 2000 is in my mail should have it this week, looking for improvements,

Guy Cook - (6/28/99 9:23 AM): I have Hotmetal Pro 5.0, and Homesite 4.0 by Allaire too, each does special things

Andy TeBockhorst ( (6/28/99 9:23 AM): I'm a FrontPage man myself, but all this talk has made me want to consider Dreamweaver.

Guy Cook - (6/28/99 9:24 AM): Does Dreamweaver require server add-ons?

Muhammad( (6/28/99 9:24 AM): I have a love/hate relationship with front still have to clean up the code by hand afterwards...something that isn't necessary with Dreamweaver importing pages is a pain.....

Louise ( (6/28/99 9:25 AM): that's so true, I start with either fusion or FP, then insert the site onto the other program, tweaking it that way, and then hand code the rest

Muhammad( (6/28/99 9:25 AM): AND, a significant portion of my firm's revenue comes from redesigning pages that were originally done in front I don't hate it that much

Guy Cook - (6/28/99 9:25 AM): Does it support Apache servers and NT ? Tell us more.

Muhammad( (6/28/99 9:25 AM): All you need to use Dreamweaver is FTP access, it can manage a site with just that.

Andy TeBockhorst ( (6/28/99 9:27 AM): How's the Dreamweaver learning curve?

Guy Cook - (6/28/99 9:27 AM): Some thing to look at then, I don't know if I can rationalize moving from FP though now that I use NT for the host, a lot of my grief was using apache servers with low levels of support


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